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What is the preferred setting in Pam's to clock the Nerd these days? If I set Pam to 1X and NS to MOD.CLOCK I get the LED's blinking at the same rate, and the sequence seems to advance somewhere between the times the Pams/NS lights are off. The clock output seems to be 180 degrees out of phase from the clock in. Meaning the out clock out is lit at opposite times from the clock in. If I set MOD.CLOCK24 and Pam's to 6X I get about the same thing. So the bottom line is I'm not confident I have it set properly. Pam's is set to 24PPQn. If NS is advancing while Pam's light is off and other things clocked with Pam are moving when the light comes on, I would think I have a timing issue.
Though it doesn’t immediately strike me as related to the phase aspect you mention, but since you didn’t note it in your post and it might help eliminate variables: Are you also sending a run signal from Pam’s? If not then you should do so by configuring one of her outputs to go high when a button press starts Pam running. Patch that into the NerdSEQ reset input.

PS - 6X is right.

PPS - If you need Pam to drive the NerdSEQ for long then either of the Pam’s expanders would be a good buy.
(03-30-2021, 05:06 AM)mvdirty Wrote: [ -> ]Though it doesn’t immediately strike me as related to the phase aspect you mention, but since you didn’t note it in your post and it might help eliminate variables: Are you also sending a run signal from Pam’s? If not then you should do so by configuring one of her outputs to go high when a button press starts Pam running. Patch that into the NerdSEQ reset input.

PS - 6X is right.

PPS - If you need Pam to drive the NerdSEQ for long then either of the Pam’s expanders would be a good buy.

I have been wondering about the reset, and yes, the expander is on the wish list, although x6 is not one of the options. All valuable comments, and thanks for the validation on 6x.   Smile

With or without the Reset added, Nerd steps each time Pam's light goes out. This indicates two me that Nerd steps on the falling edge. I thought most things step on the rising edge?
(03-30-2021, 05:34 AM)mntbighker Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-30-2021, 05:06 AM)mvdirty Wrote: [ -> ]Though it doesn’t immediately strike me as related to the phase aspect you mention, but since you didn’t note it in your post and it might help eliminate variables: Are you also sending a run signal from Pam’s? If not then you should do so by configuring one of her outputs to go high when a button press starts Pam running. Patch that into the NerdSEQ reset input.

PS - 6X is right.

PPS - If you need Pam to drive the NerdSEQ for long then either of the Pam’s expanders would be a good buy.

I have been wondering about the reset, and yes, the expander is on the wish list, although x6 is not one of the options. All valuable comments, and thanks for the validation on 6x.   Smile

With or without the Reset added, Nerd steps each time Pam's light goes out. This indicates two me that Nerd steps on the falling edge. I thought most things step on the rising edge?

It does not step on a falling edge. That would be wrong.

24ppqn is advised and if possible then as DINsync, because you get a proper start signal for free then.
I think there is maybe something with pamelas setting which inverts the signal?
And are you sure that this happens or is it an optical observation? I know many people are clocking the NerdSEQ through pamelas properly.
Hi, just trying to expand my knowledge here, as just today I’ve been reflecting on my own flow with Ableton, Pamela’s and Nerdseq.  I’m curious why you and some others use Pam’s as master to NERDSEQ, versus the other way around?

On my end, I’m trying to optimize my setup to (more fluidly) switch between using my Expert Sleeper’s ES-9 in standalone (no DAW) and hosted (DAW/Ableton, using CV tools) mode.

At present, when using the DAW, I have clock and reset coming via DC coupled outputs on my MOTU interface (part of an aggregate interface) to PNW and I also mult this to NERDSEQ (in turn I mult the clock/reset output of NERDSEQ to things like Voltage Block, Marbles, Mimeophon, etc).  Seems to work great.

When I want to go standalone, I change cables around to make PNW receive clock and reset from NERDSEQ (using NS as master).  I thought that I may as well slave PNW to NERDSEQ both ways, to minimize any work between the two use cases.

I’ve been doing it this way, as added NERDSEQ later on in my modular journey (than PNW) and didn’t really think deeply about the flow and options.  Also, I wasn’t using the ES-9 standalone mode until more recently.  It’s been great to fire up the modular, no DAW, and just play, until I want to record.

Just want to see if I’m missing anything in terms of a more reliable, stable situation, in terms of what I use for my master, what comes first NS or PNW...

UPDATE:
I made a simple routing change and now have this following:
MOTU OUT > NERDSEQ, with NERDSEQ Clock & Reset > PAMELA’S (via a Mult Module that also sends multi of the NERDSEQ Clock/Reset outputs to my other modules).

This works great.  No longer have to change anything in PNW when shifting between DAW/Hosted and DAWLESS/Non-Hosted with my ES-9.  I just change the NERDSEQ Clock In from DIN-Sync to Internal  

Just in case this helps anyone in the future...
(03-30-2021, 05:34 AM)mntbighker Wrote: [ -> ]I have been wondering about the reset, and yes, the expander is on the wish list, although x6 is not one of the options.

Not quite. That’s the thing with the expanders: x6 effectively is one of the options, because both expanders have DIN-sync style output, with a 24ppqn (AKA x6) clock and a run/stop signal. That’s why I suggested adding one. Wink

I have both expanders, and they’re quite handy, though over time I actually ended up not needing them because I made NerdSEQ the master and Pam the slave. Smile



(03-31-2021, 12:17 AM)sak-rwsd Wrote: [ -> ]Just want to see if I’m missing anything in terms of a more reliable, stable situation, in terms of what I use for my master, what comes first NS or PNW...

I cannot speak to your DAW setup, as I’m DAWless, but I can perhaps give one reason why I have NerdSEQ as the master of all the clocks: sequenced tempo changes.

Among many possibilities, very groovy things await at abrupt changes between tempos where, for example, the triplet 8ths at one tempo are 16ths at the other. Wink



(Bear in mind that when I have been mentioning x6 in my messages to date in this thread, that is of course entirely dependent on the base rate at which things are being clocked, which may or may not be 16ths. Long story short: 24 PPQN, however it needs to achieved in a given setup.)