Controlling vca via envelopes - help

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RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - XORadmin - 11-25-2021

(11-25-2021, 11:44 AM)mgd Wrote: FWIW I have a project that makes extensive use of the envelopes (also feeding into an A-130-8) and while the envelopes have a few quirks (my most annoying being the forced drop to zero upon restart which easily results in clicks) in principle it works like a charm.

On the ADSR envelopes? Tell me more...

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - XORadmin - 11-25-2021

Actually it is your sequence.

Make it like this:

E-2 -- -- FE
---
---
[ ]
---
---
E-3 -- -- FE
---
---
--- -- -- 00
---
.......

Both cases will work. FE turns the gate on and the [ ] (or the 00 in the trigger column) will turn the gate off.

Here it doesn't make a difference if auto-gate is turned on.
And in case it is turned on, you only would need the note and the [ ] for the gate to work.

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - Paprika - 11-25-2021

[Image: 4gbDrB8Airh4YM6u7]

(11-25-2021, 11:41 AM)XORadmin Wrote: Your attack is set to the slowest.

Use the same values as the second envelope and you will find out :-)

And delete the envelope commands in the FX lane, these are not needed when the source is 'Gate'.
When the first note comes, then the gate is set automatically (if auto gate is turned on, else use a Trigger with FE) on the note row.
Before the 2nd note you need to either add a note off or a trigger 00 because else there will be no proper release phase of the envelope (except for one-shot)

Like this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4gbDrB8Airh4YM6u7 ?

Currently its now really quiet and still no envelope. Sorry to be frustraiting..

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - XORadmin - 11-25-2021

(11-25-2021, 11:59 AM)Paprika Wrote:
(11-25-2021, 11:41 AM)XORadmin Wrote: Your attack is set to the slowest.

Use the same values as the second envelope and you will find out :-)

And delete the envelope commands in the FX lane, these are not needed when the source is 'Gate'.
When the first note comes, then the gate is set automatically (if auto gate is turned on, else use a Trigger with FE) on the note row.
Before the 2nd note you need to either add a note off or a trigger 00 because else there will be no proper release phase of the envelope (except for one-shot)

Like this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4gbDrB8Airh4YM6u7 ?

Currently its now really quiet and still no envelope. Sorry to be frustraiting..

OK, just more to cover:
You are using track 2. Be sure your envelope is also using Gate 2 and then the MOD you want to use.
The note off might be too short before the new note to finish the release phase. And E-3 doesn't have a note off.

Why is there a table running and what does it do?
Do you see the envelope getting into its' phases (red lines in the envelope?).

Don't worry, they work. There is just something that we might miss or can't see in your sequence.

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - mgd - 11-25-2021

(11-25-2021, 11:44 AM)Paprika Wrote: Ah thank you. I was close to selling it and getting something with the adsr built in. But I really like the idea of how the Octal could really compliment the nerd seq!

I'm currently contemplating to get a second and maybe a third one of these. They are fairly cheap, only 6hp and for me work just nicely. Together with 4 sine/triangle LFOs (e.g. from a NerdSEQ CV16) and an Intellijel Quad Inverter you can have 4 signals morph between left and right w/o any special additional mixer.

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - Paprika - 11-25-2021

(11-25-2021, 11:55 AM)XORadmin Wrote: Actually it is your sequence.

Make it like this:

E-2 -- -- FE
---
---
[ ]
---
---
E-3 -- -- FE
---
---
--- -- -- 00
---
.......

Both cases will work. FE turns the gate on and the [ ] (or the 00 in the trigger column) will turn the gate off.

Here it doesn't make a difference if auto-gate is turned on.
And in case it is turned on, you only would need the note and the [ ] for the gate to work.

Thanks. I tried this just now, but I'm still not getting snappy envelopes I do get some noticable differences when I adjust the envelope, but its not effecting the notes, just a gradual fade in and fade out as it loops through the pattern.

Edit, actually now i've played with the envelope a bit more, Its just a playin gthe notes with no break or ADSR.. Is there some universal setting I may have on that is messing it all up?

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - mgd - 11-25-2021

(11-25-2021, 11:48 AM)XORadmin Wrote:
(11-25-2021, 11:44 AM)mgd Wrote: FWIW I have a project that makes extensive use of the envelopes (also feeding into an A-130-8) and while the envelopes have a few quirks (my most annoying being the forced drop to zero upon restart which easily results in clicks) in principle it works like a charm.

On the ADSR envelopes? Tell me more...

The above comment is targetted towards the CV16 envelopes. I have a project that uses a total of 10 of these and I have to adjust the A and R values when I increase the BPM.
There is a feature request aiming to "cure" this:
https://xor-electronics.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1256

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - Paprika - 11-25-2021

IVE GOT IT.

Glide modulate had a value in the current values for track 2. I' set it to zero and hey presto, its doing what it should!

You did say this, I know. I just didn't know where to look.

Thank you for your patience!!

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - XORadmin - 11-25-2021

(11-25-2021, 12:14 PM)Paprika Wrote: Thanks. I tried this just now, but I'm still not getting snappy envelopes I do get some noticable differences when I adjust the envelope, but its not effecting the notes, just a gradual fade in and fade out as it loops through the pattern.

Edit, actually now i've played with the envelope a bit more, Its just a playin gthe notes with no break or ADSR.. Is there some universal setting I may have on that is messing it all up?

Please load this attached project. I works on the MOD output 2 and track 2 and is only a simple thing. I just tried it. It is set to AD-SR mode.

RE: Controlling vca via envelopes - help - Paprika - 11-25-2021

(11-25-2021, 12:23 PM)XORadmin Wrote:
(11-25-2021, 12:14 PM)Paprika Wrote: Thanks. I tried this just now, but I'm still not getting snappy envelopes I do get some noticable differences when I adjust the envelope, but its not effecting the notes, just a gradual fade in and fade out as it loops through the pattern.

Edit, actually now i've played with the envelope a bit more, Its just a playin gthe notes with no break or ADSR.. Is there some universal setting I may have on that is messing it all up?

Please load this attached project. I works on the MOD output 2 and track 2 and is only a simple thing. I just tried it. It is set to AD-SR mode.

Thanks for this, but I figured it, it was glide modulate having a value. Feeling extra dumb now, but I really appreciate you counselling me through it Smile