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Still Struggling with Quantizing HALP
(03-17-2021, 11:32 AM)XORadmin Wrote:
(03-17-2021, 02:05 AM)Karlo Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 12:41 PM)Bleep bleep Wrote: Hello, you could set your table with an automator as source. 
Then use this automator in envelope mode and trigger it with the gates of the track you are using.

This gonna make the table to go one step every time you trigger a note.

Another way to do the same thing is to use a cv input instead as a source and just feed it with the trigger output of the track you use.

So you have choice to spend either a cv in or one envelope and one automator Smile

I could not get this to work at all. So frustrating. It didn't step every time a new note was gated. It would step every repetition of the pattern. So on 00 of my pattern it would advance one step in the table, not when the note gated the envelope... AND the table didn't quantize the pattern pitch to the allow notes in the table. 

Which brings me to something else....

The envelopes are terrible, they're noisy in my VCA. I can hear little "rattle sounds" regardless of attack and decay settings. I think it's in the decay stage. it's doing something stupid, don't know what. I don't have a scope, I just use my ears and it sounds like shit. I find it worthless.

I'm starting to develop the opinion that some of these features; envelopes, pitch quantize, ratcheting, clock dividing, are shit. The manual sucks too.

Het Karlo,

thanks for your kind words.
Starting with the tables to quantize your notes.
I would: Use Up or Down as a quantize setting. Because then the selected allowed note will always stay the same. If you choose coin, the table would choose either the next higher or lower note with every table step and this you can hear. Also select a faster speed like 1 or maybe also Internal time as source. Your notes will quantize well and you should only hear your 3 notes D, F, G#.
Range is not relevant here and does nothing. 
No need for any work arounds with timings or automators or whatever.

As for the envelopes. I'm sorry that they are so shitty for you and to be honest, you are the first to mention it. Of course they are not perfect analogue envelopes, but I never claimed so. They work fine and good for many applications
How do you use them? Are you using them correctly?

What is your issue with ratcheting?

What is your issue with clock dividing?

What is your issue with the manual exactly?

I'm just another asshole with a negative opinion on the internet. Don't take it personally. I'm actually quite fond of NerdSEQ and I'm impressed with your effort on this.

This issue I had with the pitch quantize is it quantizes per tick. If I have a quarter note and each quarter note is comprised of 6 ticks I hear the table quantize the quarter note to 6 different pitches instead of just holding one. It's infuriating when you have whole notes, some eight notes, sixteenths, etc. in one pattern. Infuriating as in inferior... like my NerdSEQ skills in getting this to work. LOL.

What I figured out, is make the table with allowed notes 1 step in length, and set to play once (like XORAdmin mentioned in my "make next note random" thread). Then just put that table on every step that has a note you want quantized. This worked but took me forever to figure out last night. 

So yes, I eventually managed to get it to work, but it wasn't well documented any where on how to make it work for a simple application. That's why the manual isn't very good. I want to sequence, not experiment for 6 hours listening to the same pattern over and over again trying to figure out how to quantize the pitch to C maj. LOL. Also, please please please, put all the expanders info in a separate manual or an addendum at the end. It's painful scrolling through pages and pages of information for something that is an elective add-on to the NerdSEQ and not relevant to it's core functionality. Put it at the end of the manual. Please.

The envelops - All my modular envelops are digital so I'm not sure your comparison to analog envelopes is relevant. For comparison, I have an Intellijel Quadrax and/or IME Kermit mkIII (both digital and buttery smooth) and neither of them contaminate my signal like the NerdSEQ envelopes. I think what MGD said - it might be oscillating and making a short ringmod type sound to my output signal on the VCA - but I don't know why it would oscillate. I don't have the envelope set to cycle, it is set to one shot or once. I would argue Digital envelopes are superior to analog... just not the NerdSEQ envelops. Something you may want to look into.

- clock dividing happens on the following pattern and is not instantaneous, I'm hopeful for the next release that clock divide is instantaneous and set from the pattern you want divided but how it's set up now, I just don't really understand the intent really. Example: Pattern 00 with the clock divide, then on 01, the pattern is now slower... great, but what if my sequence goes 00, 01, 00, 02... but I don't want 02 to be divided? I have to clone 00 to 03 jut to remove the clock divide FX. The clock divide should happen on the pattern you want clock divided...

Ratcheting... again, I'm hopeful for the next release that this is addressed and can be set to musically division in the trigger column instead of all the button pressing trying to find the right combinations of repeats to trigger length as seen in the 1.23 firmware. As others have stated... if you later decide to change the BPM of your pattern, the repeats to trigger lengths will be "off" and you have to go back and go through the the massive amount of button presses to find the perfect combination of repeats to trigger length.

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Still Struggling with Quantizing HALP - by Karlo - 03-07-2021, 04:51 AM
RE: Still Struggling with Quantizing HALP - by Karlo - 03-17-2021, 03:21 PM

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