User scales

[XORadmin]

And yes the full scaling is still on the list.

[Dries]

Apologies for dusting this off but I was wondering if there is any news one this? I would really like some scales
(Or i might have missed it in the manual)

There is some (limited) means to use scales by way of tables. But that's currently limited to the 6 local tracks - not sure about tracks 7&8.

Kind regards,
Michael

I did notice that and it is lovely. But a full scale system would really be handy and versatile for composition

[joesh]

After chatting with Thomas about quantization elsewhere, I thought I'd add a few comments in here (see: https://xor-electronics.com/forum/showth...p?tid=1507).

For my part what I think would be really interesting and useful would be the possibility to have quantization via the live CV inputs too. I recently noticed the Westlicht Performer has this feature, and from what I saw it is clearly a very powerful tool in many situations. 

Some of uses for this feature could be firstly for live performance, as an example play a keyboard directly through the module without recording anything. But also control other modules elsewhere in your system. Or not unlike an Ornament and Crime, use the module as a sort of sample and hold (or is that track and hold?) feature which can be recorded or not into your project.

I guess that for some a scale choice would be the easiest system for 'quantize'. However, I think that in reality the interface that you have in the Patch menu where one can pick the notes that can be used is actually more flexible - I guess for those that already know their music theory - as it gives you the chance to make up your own scale(s).

[XORadmin]

After chatting with Thomas about quantization elsewhere, I thought I'd add a few comments in here (see: https://xor-electronics.com/forum/showth...p?tid=1507).

For my part what I think would be really interesting and useful would be the possibility to have quantization via the live CV inputs too. I recently noticed the Westlicht Performer has this feature, and from what I saw it is clearly a very powerful tool in many situations. 

Some of uses for this feature could be firstly for live performance, as an example play a keyboard directly through the module without recording anything. But also control other modules elsewhere in your system. Or not unlike an Ornament and Crime, use the module as a sort of sample and hold (or is that track and hold?) feature which can be recorded or not into your project.

I guess that for some a scale choice would be the easiest system for 'quantize'. However, I think that in reality the interface that you have in the Patch menu where one can pick the notes that can be used is actually more flexible - I guess for those that already know their music theory - as it gives you the chance to make up your own scale(s).

I got a sketch already on how it will look like and the functionality. The output part as mentioned by me here is covering already the CV input quantisation so that will be in there for sure.

I actually don't know anything about what Westlicht or O&C can do and to be honest I am not into copying features from other sequencers/modules. (Check the FAQ if you want to find out why)

[joesh]

After chatting with Thomas about quantization elsewhere, I thought I'd add a few comments in here (see: https://xor-electronics.com/forum/showth...p?tid=1507).

For my part what I think would be really interesting and useful would be the possibility to have quantization via the live CV inputs too. I recently noticed the Westlicht Performer has this feature, and from what I saw it is clearly a very powerful tool in many situations. 

Some of uses for this feature could be firstly for live performance, as an example play a keyboard directly through the module without recording anything. But also control other modules elsewhere in your system. Or not unlike an Ornament and Crime, use the module as a sort of sample and hold (or is that track and hold?) feature which can be recorded or not into your project.

I guess that for some a scale choice would be the easiest system for 'quantize'. However, I think that in reality the interface that you have in the Patch menu where one can pick the notes that can be used is actually more flexible - I guess for those that already know their music theory - as it gives you the chance to make up your own scale(s).

I got a sketch already on how it will look like and the functionality. The output part as mentioned by me here is covering already the CV input quantisation so that will be in there for sure.

I actually don't know anything about what Westlicht or O&C can do and to be honest I am not into copying features from other sequencers/modules. (Check the FAQ if you want to find out why)

When you mention not copying O&C and Westlicht I totally understand. However, I don't mean one has to copy those modules functions, I just mean that NerdSeq already does some (or all) of those things already. With an extra feature such as routing a signal live to be able to quantize that signal, would be very interesting (and it just so happens the Westlicht and O&C do that to).

[Terekki]

The ability to set a root note and choose a global scale/mode like Dorian, Lydian etc. - then when the user chooses notes in the pattern they are constrained to that scale across the 6 channels - would be so useful.

[mgd]

The ability to set a root note and choose a global scale/mode like Dorian, Lydian etc. - then when the user chooses notes in the pattern they are constrained to that scale across the 6 channels - would be so useful.

I've seen this and similar requests here and elsewhere again and again. Thinking about it I'm not really sure why the various modes actually are required. Of course this may be just me not understanding the full impact. So here's a question for those that think the various modes need to be supported by a quantizer:

What is the difference between quantizing to C ionian (== major) and D dorian or A aeolian (== minor) w/r to the actual notes stuff gets quantized to?

Note I'm not asking for functional differences.

A similar topic is the root note. AFAICT a root note does not really make sense in the context of quantization. I understand it makes a lot of sense when it comes to chords and such. Am I overlooking something?

Or is the whole conversation about scales and modes targeted towards some [intelligent] transposition function where you describe e.g. progressions on a functional level?

Could someone please enlighten me?

Kind regards,
Michael

[joesh]

Hi Michael, I see your point, and you're right concerning the scale or/and the mode discussions. Any major scale contains all 7 modes, or the other way around (any of the seven modes contains the other 6 modes, which in turn can be an Ionian major scale too).

As for the root note, I'd say if I understand correctly, that this could be important when quantifying .... I imagine the system/module needs to assume that the lowest note to be calculated is the root note of XXXX mode. 

Lastly, if there's to be other altered modes, or more exotic scales included, then sometimes the root note is important. A simple example could be a diminished scale, which in jazz we use in different ways depending on if we start with the half step, or a whole step.

[XORadmin]

Hi Michael, I see your point, and you're right concerning the scale or/and the mode discussions. Any major scale contains all 7 modes, or the other way around (any of the seven modes contains the other 6 modes, which in turn can be an Ionian major scale too).

As for the root note, I'd say if I understand correctly, that this could be important when quantifying .... I imagine the system/module needs to assume that the lowest note to be calculated is the root note of XXXX mode. 

Lastly, if there's to be other altered modes, or more exotic scales included, then sometimes the root note is important. A simple example could be a diminished scale, which in jazz we use in different ways depending on if we start with the half step, or a whole step.

Peoples, I will make all of you happy. Just be patient. (and those who seen the screenshots, stay silent :-)  )