More CV Expander?

[XORadmin]

Is it a correct statement that once a track is assigned to an expander (required) you can send pitch/gate/mod from the assigned expander track back to the outputs you just masked with FX. But you cannot send pitch/gate/mod from regular tracks to the expanders? So if you assign CV16 to track 6, you can still send output to the track 6 pitch/gate/mod outputs via FX from ANY track pattern. But you can't send anything to the CV16 (track 6) outputs from anywhere other than track 6?

Yes totally correct. That’s because there is no way to get that much information into a FX field to properly do that.

OK, well I can't say I'm happy about that. But at least I'm not making idiot statements, and I'm starting to wrap my head around the interface 

Yeah. I'm not happy either. But it is simply not really possible to do that in a proper way. Just to give the details (shown in digits to visualise it easily):
FX column for Modular tracks got 5 digits. Command (2 digits) and the values (3 digits). Theoretically I could make the values 4 digits but that wouldn't fit on the screen.
Lets assume the first Command is being used as like 'manipulate expander'. 2 digits gone. In the values you would need to say then which expander (1 digit), then you want to choose a function of the expander (2 digits) and there you go....no digits left. (at this point you still would need up to 4 digits to be able to get all possible values in there).  Even with some tricks you would still run 2-3 digits short in order to access all expander functions.

Whats left is the other way around, to use expander tracks for the cv/gate stuff. And I would say that isn't too bad either. Everything with notes can always use the local ports and also nearly all functions are always available. Tables and patches for the special tracks will be there at some point.

[stoermelder]

Just throwing out an idea here:
How about adding some sort of "More CV mapping table"? It could have 16 slots (0..F) and you could set up your ports there: NSA port, output port number etc. In the FX you would only need to address the slot in the mapping table using one digit, which could be part of the command, for example MCV0..MCVF. All remaining three digits could be used as usual for CV output values.

[mgd]

I'm not sure I understand what you wish to achieve. Could you elaborate a bit more?
What would you want to map? (the target destination I have understood )

Besides:
AFAIUI you (technically) can't route CV from one NSA to another.

Kind regards,
Michael

[stoermelder]

I'm not sure I understand what you wish to achieve. Could you elaborate a bit more?
What would you want to map? (the target destination I have understood )

Besides:
AFAIUI you (technically) can't route CV from one NSA to another.

Kind regards,
Michael

I don't want to achieve anything, just proposing an idea how to use expander outputs in a modular track, as this not possible right now.

[XORadmin]

Just throwing out an idea here:
How about adding some sort of "More CV mapping table"? It could have 16 slots (0..F) and you could set up your ports there: NSA port, output port number etc. In the FX you would only need to address the slot in the mapping table using one digit, which could be part of the command, for example MCV0..MCVF. All remaining three digits could be used as usual for CV output values.

The big question is whats the benefit then?
Just assuming 4 FX are used to change 4 CV values on the More CV expander (They are more then just the more CV expander, so that would also make it much more complex). Then you could have the CV/Gate and Mod from the regular Modular track and 4 Cv's from the expander.
No other function possible.

On the other hand, if you make it a CV16 track, you still got the CV/Gate/Mod functions available, either directly from the columns or from the FX. This would give you more than what would be possible from a modular track.

The only real benefit I see would be if you want to use triggers from the trigger expander and some Cv's from the CV expander combined in one track. That always with the cost of FX functions which makes me think if a good setup using partly local triggers with a CV16 or similated gates if not more is needed would be much easier and better to use.

[mvdirty]

The big question is whats the benefit then?

If something like this existed, one of my use cases would be much like having a second mod output for each track, which is actually something I could really do with right now and the workarounds aren’t great.

If there were something like the 16-output FX mapping process that was described, it optimally would be done per track so that I could retain some reuse of patterns across tracks, but even if there were just a single mapping for the whole of the nerdseq it would still be helpful.

[XORadmin]

Still it doesn't solve the 4 digit problem, so many functions couldn't be accessed.

[stoermelder]

Just to be clear, I'm perfectly happy how the expander can used right now, I'm just brainstorming and expressing some ideas how this thing could be implemented.
How about providing the function within the mapping table as some sort of macro? Something like this:

Code:

|NSA  |CV16 MACRO FX
------------------------------------------
0|1    |CV A 1xxx
1|1    |SENV 3xxx
2|1    |SLFO 3xxx

In the modular track you could set FX MCV2 155 which would be expanded to SLFO 3155 on NSA 1. Maybe a bit complicated but you could get access to every FX on the CV16.

[mvdirty]

Still it doesn't solve the 4 digit problem, so many functions couldn't be accessed.

Very true, but even just being able to set notes and/or voltages would help, even more so if such entries could be affected by things like the “math” FX.

[Karlo]

I've acquired a more CV expander. In column 3, I had an envelope breifly set up, decided I didn't want to use envelope and instead just voltage but the little carrot symbol ^ is still present and I can't get it to send out "External CV3 Voltage" on that column. How can I reset the column to make the ^ disappear and get it to send out "External CV 3 Voltage"?

Thanks